Points race for 2008 Yadkin Mastercatters Series

[catfishrus]

Here is the top teams after todays weigh in. Last event at tillery Mar 7,2009. Still time to react and make a come back. Dont forget you get one mulligan too. Total points fund is up to 613.00


Jeremy Dowd 68 38.6 18.2 61.4 9.2 195.4
Michael Chandler 21.4 39.2 40 55.8 13.6 170
Brian Needham 0 38.6 18.2 61.4 9.2 127.4
John Davidson 5 53 15.6 33 5 111.6
John Dowd 15.8 29.6 30 30.6 5 111
Chad Harris 15.8 29.6 30 30.6 5 111
Jim Davidson 0 53 15.6 33 5 106.6
Mark Kimball 52 0 27.4 18.2 26.6 124.2
Charles Kimball 52 0 27.4 18.2 0 97.6
Johnny Myers 52 0 27.4 18.2 26.6 124.2
Eric Fincher 17.4 26.2 13.4 40 5 102
Chris Hammill 17.4 26.2 13.4 40 5 102
Stephen Upright 39.2 30.4 14 0 0 83.6
Jerry Arnold 5 13 7.8 50.6 5 81.4
Pat Shooter 15.4 5 0 55.8 13.6 89.8
Robert Tomasek 15.4 0 0 0 77.8 93.2

[jerry9497]

guess you didnt figure it after last tournement? just wondering how I faired after mulligan. I throw away a no weigh lake, yall have to throw away weightmakes it not look so bad for me I had fun, look forward to it in the fall!

[catfishrus]

Here is the top 10

1)Jeremy Dowd 237.4
2)Michael Chandler 212.6
3)Brian Needham 173.6
4)John Davidson 157.4
5)Jim Davidson 152.4
6)Jerry Arnold 140.4
7)Mark Kimball 129.2
8)Johnny Myers 129.2
9)John Dowd 116
10)Chad Harris 116


We need to look at the mulligan thing next year also...it heped some teams and hurt others that fished every event more. You take a team that had to cull a 20 lb stringer but still yet had a good average overall...well they lost 20 lbs but another team that didnt fish didnt loose anything...just dont seem fair to a team that fished all the events...granted they got the 5 sign up points but lost 20pts to a mulligan. Example would of been gearhead and I. Had the points spread been closer..the mulligan could of cost me the championship. Gearhead culled a 9.2 but he kept 5 sign up points at the last badin event. I culled a 13.6 but kept 5 sign up points. So he gained 4.4 points on me because of the mulligan. In a tight race that wouldnt be fair to take points away and take the championship away from the guy who caught more fish. We need to either work on that or do away with the mulligan next year. It was fair to all this year becuse we made it the rule up front...I just hate to see my example come into play in the future for the championship. What you fellows think?

[jerry9497]

thats what I was thinking, had the points been tight it could make a difference. I'm ok without the throw away. 5 points for fishing still fair I think because it's a bonus, but I'm ok with just weigh what you got. rules are changing so we dont know what concoction might toss it around
how bout if your on a toon you get 10 min. head start?
5 bonus points if you point out the good docks ?
I guess trailering out of the question?

[dipnet]

that is a tough thing there, the mulligan was a good thing for people who couldnt make every event and missed one, i guess there is no fool proof way to do that

[BUCK]

why not do it like nascar . you get points for the spot you finish in. i think it would be easyer to keep up with. just and ideal.

[catfishrus]

Here would be an option to use next year that would keep the field real tight based on finishing order rather than pound weighed in. You take the number of teams and reverse that number to points for each event. A big turnout would equal more points.

Example 10 teams

1)10Pts
2)9PTs
3)8pts
and on down the line

15 teams would start with 15pts for first
20 teams would start with 20pts for first

Maybe a bonus of 3pts for big fish or something.
we could add a point say for ever 10 lbs weighed in too...10lbs-1pt ...20lbs-2pts...30lbs-3pts. I dont know really but I think we need to do something to make it fair to all.

[jerry9497]

I like that but it might be hard to keep track of, maybe only top ten count toward points, but if 5 people dont weigh then who would be 6th, 7th,8th? It would be fun to change up points but we got time to work on it

[jerry9497]

maybe keep an average of every finish, example. after 3 tournements you finish 4th,4th,1st that would be 9 divided by 3 tournements with a score of 3rd? make sense? we could be tied at times and maybe last tournement would end in a fish off, among the top teams

[catfishrus]

Well take a look at this from saturday......13 teams
Jerry/frogman 13pts + 5pts + 3pts =21pts for saturday
Team catfishrus 12pts+ 4Pts= 16pts
team gearhead 11pts+4pts=15pts
team pier preasure 10pts+ 4pts=14pts
team cathunter 9pts+3pts=12pts
Mydads team 8pts+3pts=11pts

Thats giving out 3 pts to the big fish and one point for every 10lbs of fish weighed in plus the reverse order points on the number of teams involved.

Heres the weigh in from saturday

Jerry/frogman 56.8 plus big fish 43.8
team catfish 46.2lbs
team gearhead 41.2lbs
team pier pres. 40.8lbs
team cathunter 36lbs
my dad 34lbs

Maybe give out 5-10 points to every team that competed that didnt weigh in?

It would pay off to a team that dominated the field just like jerrys team did saturday which it should....10 more lbs of fish than anybody else and big fish of the event. We might have to break it down to 5.6pts to break the tie in the end or we could say the biggest weigh in of either team would break a tie in the championship. I still dont know what to do about the mulligan though...lol

[jerry9497]

I dont like that way for 2 reasons one, if I fish all the events but 1 and that event has a record turnout thats out of my control so not really fair. and if it's cold and rainy and I win but there is a poor turnout then I'm punished for fishing.
it will tend to make people less dedicated on an off day.

Here's another Idea....
based on 20 boats weather they show up or not.....
1st gets 20 points
2nd gets 19
3rd gets 18...and so on

that way if you fish the event you get points over someone who dosent, you get bonus points for big fish. to reward a nice catch
That also limits someone from having a record day and pulling a big lead on the field. I guess it's like Buck said....nascar style points system

[catfishrus]

Okay I see your point and ideal about the punishment there. Cannot control the turnout.

[dipnet]

i think you guys are on to something, sounds pretty good
okay, why dont we say there is 15 boats in the field

20 pts = 1st
19pts= 2nd
18pts= 3rd and so on

and then lets sat we get down to 10th place and have a 10 point cap for fishing the event , so the last 5 places would get 10 pts for fishing the event, or maybe drop it to 5

if you got 20 boats, just raise to 25pts starting for 1st

[CMJ]

I would go with bigger numbers,( looks better... ) multiples of ten.

first place-100 points
second place-90 points
third place-80 points
forth place- 70 points
fifth place- 60 points
big fish $50.00

-give every team below fifth place 30 points for entering-
-maybe give 10 extra points for big fish-

as far as pay out each tourney, pay top 3

first place 60% = $240.00
second place 30% = $120.00
third place 10% = $40.00

This based on ten teams at $40.00 entry fee
add $5.00 extra for big fish making total entry fee $45.00

Just some numbers, I didn't have anything else to do this morning...

[CMJ]

I should have put big fish $50.00 under the payout list not the points...

[catfishrus]

BUT what do we do about the mulligan with this point system? Thats the problem with the old points...You take away the lowest point day for team x that fished every event which would be say 30pts. Then team Y missed a event...you take away a 0 points day from that team. I dont know how to make it fair to the ones who show up at every event to those who dont. The way we doing it is punishing the team that did show up.....not quiet fair in my book. This mulligan thing only helps the team that didnt show up. I got to be at every events so it dont matter to me but I want to hear from you fellows before my example above knocks you out of the championship next year due to the mulligan system. Whats fair is fair once the rules are set in place though....even with the mulligan. Pay out was 50/30/20 for this year with more than 10 teams. 60/40 on less than 10 teams. Big fish was set at 5.00 per team...i feel fine about the payouts myself but Im also open to opinions wanting change. Only way to get better payouts is up the entry fee next year...that dont bother me either way. I can live with it like it is or go up a tick....dont matter. The more money ..the more preasure though might take away some fun.

[jerry9497]

Originally Posted by jerry9497

I dont like that way for 2 reasons one, if I fish all the events but 1 and that event has a record turnout thats out of my control so not really fair. and if it's cold and rainy and I win but there is a poor turnout then I'm punished for fishing.
it will tend to make people less dedicated on an off day.

Here's another Idea....
based on 20 boats weather they show up or not.....
1st gets 20 points
2nd gets 19
3rd gets 18...and so on

that way if you fish the event you get points over someone who dosent, you get bonus points for big fish. to reward a nice catch
That also limits someone from having a record day and pulling a big lead on the field. I guess it's like Buck said....nascar style points system

this will do it, you will get atleast 5 points for 15 boats or it could be 10 points for 10 boats.... makes me want to fish an off weather day

[CMJ]

Really, it don't matter to me, I was just throwing out some numbers and examples, I probably won't fish all the tourneys anyway so the points thing is more for the ones who fishes them all. I think points is better than pounds though, because one big day for team A can put them way ahead and winning the championship even though team B wins more tourneys. You have plenty of time to work on it for next year, and hear the opinions of all of the teams... You better consentrate on this coming saturday now...

[1 Gearhead]

As far as the muligan I don't care much for it. If your not there you just lose out plain and simple. I missed some important things to make sure I fished them all. In most all sports if your not there you forfit and in racing you just don't get points if you don't make the field or if you can't afford to make it. Its tough , but fair to the ones that sacrifice.

[BUCK]

i agree with you gearhead. do it just like nascar. if you dont weigh any fish in you get no points. maybe give 20 points for big fish. In case of tie at the end of the year . who ever has the most wins breaks the tie. as far as entery fee and pay outs i say keep them the same. set it up for 20 teams 1st gets 200 points 2nd 190 points 3rd 180 points and so on. and if you get big fish a bonce 20 points.